Maybe the use of the term 'code smell' was a bad one on my part. I meant it was analogous to a code smell, rather than it's specifically being one. Managed vs Unmanaged, as you say, says nothing about what is inside the solutions, which is where the bad code would be.
What I meant is that when if you're running unmanaged in test, and managed in production, that means that what you're testing isn't the same as what you're pushing into production, which feels like a bad 'smell', if you get what I mean.
There is a phrase in the aerospace industry, which is 'test it like you'll fly it'. It applies here too.
Maybe this debate will never go away :D
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Ben Bartle
IBM
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Original Message:
Sent: Apr 11, 2019 07:24 AM
From: Rex Kenley Tan
Subject: Managed vs Unmanaged solutions
Laura
The better question to ask is, is the solution for internal purposes or external customers? If it's the first then go for unmanaged. If later go for managed.
Your code should be checked in to a code vault anyway, so the managed solution container doesn't really matter. What is really the benefit of locking yourself into a corner with a managed solution? It's a different story when the solution goes to a customer's system.
Ben
How about the octagon? LOLZ!
On a more serious note, why would a "locking mechanism (or lack there of)" be a sign of a code smell? Shouldn't that be handled with tests and code reviews? There is nothing in a managed solution that would prevent bad code. And on the DevOps side, managed solutions just makes it more difficult to automatically promote solutions across environments.
Cheers!
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Rex Kenley Tan, MCP
Tallmadge OH
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Original Message:
Sent: Apr 11, 2019 05:41 AM
From: Ben Bartle
Subject: Managed vs Unmanaged solutions
I can't believe we're still having this debate in 2019 :)
The only place you should have unmanaged solutions is in a Development environment. End of. If you have unmanaged in anywhere else you need to take stock, think and ask yourself why.
Unmanaged solutions in even in test environments is analogous to a bad code smell, and you should think if the reasons you need for doing this could've been overcome with a different design. This is Microsoft's definite direction and we should all be aligning.
You should be testing exactly how it is/will be in production, and this means managed solutions, otherwise you're just introducing another variable, which in turn is just another risk.
Feel free to lynch me now ;)
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Ben Bartle
IBM
Original Message:
Sent: Apr 11, 2019 04:23 AM
From: Abdul Majid
Subject: Managed vs Unmanaged solutions
We have used Managed in production and Unmanaged within Sandbox Environments and in some client sites they have made use of Unmanaged in all environments.
Where Managed solutions have been used, there is more control in place and does enforce a discipline and governance.
Generally speaking Partners tend to use unmanaged within sandbox instances if they are engaged with you on site and then move managed to production and in some cases other instances from dev. This is to ensure there is no tinkering of the solution in diff environments relating in different versions from the original source, where the solution was first created etc.
I would personally start with unmanaged within DEV and then have a separate source control repository to track the different versions of the solutions and use managed solution within production and other instances leading up to production. However it does all come down not so much to the technical elements, but the process of managing the solutions/ size of the teams/ collaboration between teams and governance/ repository to manage your versions.
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Abdul Majid
Westwood Software Limited
Original Message:
Sent: Apr 10, 2019 07:39 PM
From: Laura Mortick
Subject: Managed vs Unmanaged solutions
I have been reading some older posts about this but I wanted to ask for current opinions. We have two environments and I do some customization and our partner does some development. I currently create my own solutions in sandbox and we move them from sandbox to production. We are discussing the use of managed solutions. What do you think? Is more information needed to make a recommendation? thank you for your help!
Laura
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Laura Mortick
Marketing Information Systems Manager
Terracon
Olathe KS
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